Koje izuvanje. Gallardo jaci, a opet dobija lekcije...To je rad Porsea! Lambo ce samo dobiti sto je Porse sada u VW grupi, taman ce dobiti malo znanja :))
Koliko samo stvari izvlaci ovaj PDK menjac, definitivno nema boljeg sportskog menjaca trenutno. Iza njega odmah Bmw-ov...
Ma da, kako da ne, a onda Hyundaiev. :))
Očigledno je neko zaboravio na najbrži menjač na tržištu, Ferrarijev.
Mclaren, Lambo takodje koristi E gaer menjače, kao Ferrari.
Džaba ovom Poršeu, kad Lambo izgleda 100 puta bolje.
Nego ima sreće Porše, što nije Mclaren tu ili GTR. :)
dusan
nece da moze:)
Hehe, pogledaj malo i neke druge klipove koji su veceras okaceni:)
@Pit
Nije Ferrari menjac najbrzi.
PDK ti je trenutno najbolji sportski menjac na svetu.
Sta mislis sta izvlaci Carreru S sa svojih skromnih 400ks?
Ferrarijev je blizu, ali nije kao PDK, pogledaj i sta kazu oni koji testiraju... Zasto ovde nije dobio Gallardo onda? Ako po tebi ima bolji menjac, takodje je i jaci.
@toma
Razlika u onom klipu je celih 200ks.
Mene cudi da nije onaj Bmw jos vise pobegao koliko je jaci.
toma
Ne pokazuješ ovo sa bmw bloga ? :)))
http://www.bimmertoday.de/2014/02/06/adac-gelber-engel-2014-bmw-5er-manipulation-skandal-lieblingsauto/
Inače ovo gore poredjenje je smešno, sa Turbom ili Turbo S-om ( koji je identične snage ) svako poredjenje prestaje. :)
Ipak, ne može limuzina da parira pravom sportskom autu.
Treba biti realan.
dusan
Nisam znao da 911 carreraS ima 360ks....
A sto je razlika u masi pola tone?
Duka
Maltretiraš me da tražim. :)
Porše PDK ispod 100ms
Ferrari 40ms. ( nisam našao zvanično saopštenje za 458 ali ima za stari F430 koji ima 60ms ) ;)
Evo :
http://www.ferrari.com/English/GT_Sport%20Cars/RacingInnovation/Pages/F1_Gearbox.aspx
( čitaj poslednji red )
Evo za Porše :
http://press.porsche.com/vehicles/2014/2014_GT3_USA.pdf
"ighting shifts" with extremely short reaction and gearshift times
Gearshifting strategy and response times of the 911 GT3 PDK were designed for maximum
performance, and are fundamentally different compared to other Porsche sports cars. This
becomes apparent to the driver during manual upshifts in the form of a “lightning shift",
which permits reaction times of less than 100 milliseconds. "
Aj Duka, uozbilji se malo, nemoj stalno da pričaš u prazno.
Šta sad imaš da kažeš ?
dusan
evo malo iskustava korisnika:
"I had an e93 BMW M3 with DCT. Now I have a Porsche with PDK.
You would never know these cars use the same technology. The BMW shifts faster and responded instantly to paddle inputs. It is also more adjustable. It has multiple settings from soft to super fast and hard. I loved it.
While I love the PDK it simply does not compare to the DCT. I assume it is all in the programming. Why did Porsche make it so soft and unresponsive to inputs? Even on Sport plus is it slow to respond. Also the BMW in the fast settings made you really feel the shift. It was awesome."
"Over the past couple of weeks, I've had the opportunity to drive a few cars and really explore what these transmissions can do. The last time I tested the M-DCT was back in 09 when it's shifts were clunky and it would fall on it's face at low speeds. All the transmissions listed here are all amazing and do their intended purpose without flaw(drive in stop and go traffic and cruise on the highway). Lets get into it.
AMG Speed Shift 7 speed -
HUGE improvement over the old 7 speed. Much less jolting. Faster, smoother shifts,but it still 'lags' from time to time. From my understanding it replaces the torque converter with a wet clutch pack, like a motorcycle. While that's all hunky dory and cool, this transmission still 'thinks'. It stumbles from time to time. When I hit the shift pedal, it means I want you to shift now...not 2 seconds from now. Still, it's nothing short of an impressive. AMG has worked their magic on this one. It just can't compete with the DCT's in the segment that provide crisper, more responsive shifts. The transmission has the ability to double de-clutch on downshifts but that's where I found the transmission to have most of it's problems...downshifts. You press the padel and you wait a second and then...BAM it slams into gear. This only happened 3-4 times but compared to the others, it stood no chance. Placed 4th(last) in the group
GTR's DCT -
The GT-R's DCT is simply, one of the best available. It's shifts are lightning quick yet very smooth. It was a bit clunky at lower speeds but maybe because the car hadn't had a chance to warm up. Anyway, it doesn't seem to be as refined as the others. You hear everything that's going on. There's as slight whine coming from the box. Nicely executed though. The blistering fast shifts is one reason I think the GT-R is so quick. This ranked 3rd in the group.
PDK -
Quick and smooth is the name of the game here. This transmission is simply amazing. It came in a VERY close second. I loved how I dropped it down say from 5th to 2nd and the car wouldn't even twitch. No bumps, No jerks...quick and smooth. This thing went through the gears so professionally it was uncanny. It could make the stupidest of drivers look like they're a pro. The PDK in this car though, was constantly hunting for 7th. It wanted to get to 7th as soon as possible and stay there. I hated that. One of the major gripes I had. Not sure if this is a trait of ALL PDK's but this really annoyed me.
M-DCT -
The last time I tested this transmission was back in 09 when it simply put, was awful. Jerky, twitchy, annoying. Low speed changes were a hassle. It was smoother then the SMG and a bit less clunky but it still had SMG traits. That has now been fixed. This transmission in my opinion matches if not beats the PDK AND GTR DCT. Instantaneous shifts, crazy quick reaction. The car would never lose it's composure under any condition. I put it through it's paces a few times dropping it down from 7th to 4th or from 4th to 2nd or 1st and it took it in stride. Begging you to give it more or try it again. BMW did it right. The car never hunted for gears and stayed in the proper gear each and every time. Changes were crisp and clean. No extra drama. Car would shift whenever I told it to. I Loved it! I liked how you could make the shifts crazy fast or ridiculously slow. This is my winner. 1st place.
BMW has come a long way with their ///M-DCT. The PDK for the longest time I thought was top dog but that certainly isn't the case anymore. The GT-R's transmission while I think is the standard, doesn't offer the civil nature that the M3 and PDK offer. I don't need to hear whining from the box while I'm cruising. Like I said, all of these transmissions are amazing in their own respect BUT honestly, I don't know how the M Division has pulled it off but they did.
Sorry for the long review. Just wanted to share my thoughts."
@Pit
Oni ovde kazu 'za manje od 100 ms', znaci ne kazu 100.
E, onda ti koliko je on ustvari mocan vidis u medjuubrzanju 911 Turbo S vs 458 Italia.
Takodje vise puta sam ti rekao nikada ne veruj Porseu u saopstenjima. Nikada ne kazu tacno, uvek im je sve bolje kada se testiraju. Oni kazu za Carreru S da do 100 ide sa PDK za 4,2, a nju testiraju na 3,8. Oni za Turbo S govore 3,1, a on 2,8...
Medjutim ti si ovo nasao, dok na sajtu imas takodje negde gde uopste ne pisu vreme, vec kazu 'menja u milisekundama'. Verovatno nece ni da se muce i pricaju, uzece ljudi pa ce probati.
Eno ti gledaj testove najnovijih modela i videces sta pricaju svi oni ljudi koji voze i testiraju te automobile godinama. Svi kazu da je jednostavno PDK najbolji menjac trenutno...
@Pit
Takodje sta jos kazu svi ti ljudi koji su to vozili i testirali. Porse ima i najbolji i najmocniji Launch Control, najlaksi za upotrebiti i najmocniji. Pogledas to, pogledas brzinu i moc PDK, vrhunski motor...E, zato su brzine kod 911 neverovatne ;)
toma
Dok sam gledao sad za Duku linkove, naidjoh na ovo :
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=25818
Dakle SLS ima isti menjač kao i Ferrari i vrlo dobro znaju njegove mogućnosti i kapacitete, ali su ga malo "uštrojili" , jer ako se kalibriše na max performance, ne može da zadovolji njihove kriterijume pouzdanosti i izdržljivosti.
Zato, navode u tekstu, nećete naći nijedan SLS sa problemom menjača, dok je kod Ferrarija to česta pojava.
Duka
Nepobediv si. :)))
Verovatno menja i stvara vreme, jer to je PDK ! :)))
Dakle, 100 ms inače bi naveli recimo ispod 60, koliko ima stari F430.
458 40 ms, ali ove godine stiže naslednik 458, tako da ne brini, biće još brže.
Poznato je da Ferrari forsira F1 tehnologiju tu, najbrže menjače ima.
Oni su i uveli polugice na volanu, Porše tek od skoro. ;)
Ovo su činjenice, a ti nastavi sa "rekla kazala".
Duka
Turbo S ima dobro ubrzanje jer je awd.
Uzmi ove prave sportiste u ceni i uzmi neki rwd 911, da vidiš šta će da mu urade, kad Mc razbije Turbo S. :)
Dakle kad izadje GT2 ili GT2 RS, onda vidiš rwd protiv rwd, pa vidiš šta će da se desi. :)
Ovo je novi 911, ne može protiv starog GTR-a na stazi.
A izašo novi Lambo, ove godine treba da izadje naslednik 458, ubrzo stiže i novi GTR !
A novi 911 su rekli da će dugo biti na tržištu, duže nego obično dok ne izadje novi model.
Sačekajmo da i ostali izbace novo, pa ćemo da vidimo realno stanje.
Porsche 911 zbog svoje koncepcije (nazad motor) i u RWD verzijama ima prednost nad ostalim RWD vozilima , isto zbog toga ima i fenomenalno kočenje (zadnji dio se najmanje rasterećuje) jedino što mu je takva koncepcija bila mana u momentima gubitka gripa , teško se kontrolisao i tu je bilo potrebno puno truda da se vozilo izbalansira , ali i to su riješili
@Pit
Pa i ovaj Gallardo ima AWD bre covece, mnogi ga imaju ali niko nije kao 911! I kada je u pitanju RWD opet je 911 u prednosti! Ne postoji auto koji je izbalansiran i odradjen kao 911, znaci ne postoji. I spominji kad je Porse uveo polugice kad i sam znas da je Porse forsirao MANUELNI koliko je god dugo mogao...
Dusanu je bas tesko izmedju dve vatre, kad zbog 911 mora da pljuje po R8:)))
@toma
Za razliku od mnogih, ja sam objektivan. Necu da pricam kako je GTR razbijac, a ima klip gde ga 911 oduva i u medjuubrzanju i drag trka i kako ga pobedi na stazi...Ali nema veze, svi znaju sta je 911, ne trebam da crtam.
Lepo rekose u jednom snimku ovde pre par dana, 'svi se prvo porede sa 911, pa sa drugima'. Zato GTR japanci i ubacili tu, da se pokazuju sa Porseom, zato sto ce onda da se istaknu...
"za razliku od mnogih, ja sam objektivan"
Hahahaha. E duka, dobro si me nasmejao.
7:08 na ringu , demolirao vreme 911-ce. : )))
Dule je bas izdominirao:))))
Nego, Dule, ako je M6 luksuzni kupe, a R8 V10 supersportski auto, malo me zbunjuje, kako se to klasifikuje kad M6 nagrdi R8? Jel supresportski auto od 160k evra mora da bude brzi od kupea koji "nije ni blizu etikete ss auto" od 120k evra, ili je moguce da moze da ga pobedi, malo mi sve tu zbrkano, ako mozes da mi pojasnis...:))))
@Pit
Ma moze on da demolira koliko hoce. Ko ima para za 911, njega GTR ne zanima ;)
@toma
Isti si kao Pit. Npr neces da pljunes nesto drugo kao sto moze on kada pominje GTR, moze da kaze GTR razbija Ferrari, Lambo, McLaren-a, ne on njih ne pominje, nego pominje 911. Tako i ti, mozes da kazes kako to M6 nagrdi Galjarda, ali neces da pomenese Galjarda nego R8. Zasto to tako? M6 ti je u klasi sa GTR, izgleda im NISAN deli lekcije kako uraditi brz auto, znaciiii znaaa onaj Mercedes sta raaadi :)) Malo tu uz Reno, malo ovamo uz Nisan i mozda ih ovi iz Nisana nauce da naprave brz auto :))
Duka
Ko ima pare, kupuje skuplje od 911, McLaren, Ferrari, Aventador, koji je rasprodat god i po unapred.
Razbija GTR sa performansama. : )))
Ko zna kad ce 911 da stigne 7:08 na ringu, mozda sledeca generacija u najektremnijem izdanju. : )
@Pit
Pa kazes kako je McLaren iste cene kao Turbo S, a sad kazes skuplji. Cek dogovori se prvo :))
Pogledaj na okupljanjima tih skupih automobila, one npr drag trke, gumbal itd, itd koliko imas 911-ica koje su preko 160 soma...Turbo, Turbo S, Gt3rs, Gt3rs 4.0, GT3 itd, itd.
Mislio sam na tu oko 200 000e.
Pošto spominješ GTR koji je 90 soma.
Naravno da je skuplji Mclaren, ali je manja razlika nego Turbo s i GTR u ceni.
Nego, šta bi ono za menjač ? :)))
Da li verovati činjenicama ili tebi... :)))
@Pit
Sta za menjac?
I dalje tvrdim da je PDK trenutno najmocniji sportski menjac.
Kakav GTR, Korveta je jos jeftinija, ne bih pogledao GTR pored legendarne Vette.
Duka
Svaka cast. Znaci cinjenice ne zarezujes. Samo napred, msm da nemamo vise o cemu da razgovaramo, kad nisi nimalo objektivan niti gledas cinjenice, vec navijacki za ono sto ti se svidja. Naci ces ti vec nekog slicnog sagovornika. Dodacu samo da i AMG shalta istom brzinom kao PDK. : )))
Ni ja ne bi pogledao 911 pored Vette Z06. : )))
